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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GrahamO wrote:
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Hello to Team Ineos? Unlikely much fear of declining budgets


Or British billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe could be Team Sky’s new backer
Read more at https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/british-billionaire-sir-jim-ratcliffe-sponsor-team-sky-bigger-budget-according-sources-410723#ljt1078fsiBhFYAG.99


Jim Ratcliffe is Mr Ineos Wink Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the team is going from a very "green" message, with Sky's Ocean Rescue and rain forest projects, to being sponsored by a huge plastic manufacturer with interests in fracking Rolling Eyes

Previously, people hated them for their boring racing style and the whiff of scandal from jiffygate and Froome's inhaler. Now the environmental activists are going to be protesting on the roadside too Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no ethics in cycling...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if Ineos plastic is used in the manufacture of Jiffy Bags or inhalers Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder if Ineos plastic is used in the manufacture of Jiffy Bags or inhalers Wink


the plastic industry has promised to make 100% of plastic recyclable by 2040...

just in time for brexit Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
no ethics in cycling...


I guess anywhere that money is involved (and needed), compromises are made.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Ratcliffe is no saint, however, is he any worse than the Murdochs?

I have seen comments on other forums/web sites which say that they can not support the former team Sky/Team Ineos anymore, due to Jim Ratcliffe's views on Brexit and relocation to Monaco to avoid tax..... however, this is hugely hypocritical as you can level exactly the same charges and worse at the Murdochs.

In terms of environmental implications and concerns, not all chemical and plastics companies are bad, in fact many clothing companies are as bad, if not worse than chemical companies. However, by taking over the team and creating Team Ineos, there will be a greater level of public scrutiny on a company who are not terribly well known today, maybe this level of publicity will put pressure on Ineos to be even more environmentally aware

Finally, Jim Ratcliffe has a passion for the sport, he is a passionate cyclist and former Ironman Triathlete. And I am guessing that he shares many of the same values as us.

On balance I think I would be happier to support Team Ineos then Team Sky..... although the issue of one team dominating the sport has not yet been addressed
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsurf wrote:
Jim Ratcliffe is no saint, however, is he any worse than the Murdochs?

I have seen comments on other forums/web sites which say that they can not support the former team Sky/Team Ineos anymore, due to Jim Ratcliffe's views on Brexit and relocation to Monaco to avoid tax..... however, this is hugely hypocritical as you can level exactly the same charges and worse at the Murdochs.

In terms of environmental implications and concerns, not all chemical and plastics companies are bad, in fact many clothing companies are as bad, if not worse than chemical companies. However, by taking over the team and creating Team Ineos, there will be a greater level of public scrutiny on a company who are not terribly well known today, maybe this level of publicity will put pressure on Ineos to be even more environmentally aware

Finally, Jim Ratcliffe has a passion for the sport, he is a passionate cyclist and former Ironman Triathlete. And I am guessing that he shares many of the same values as us.

On balance I think I would be happier to support Team Ineos then Team Sky..... although the issue of one team dominating the sport has not yet been addressed


I think there is a whole world of bias going on. In the words of youth 'haters gonna' hate'.

Lots of team sponsors have been far far worse than Ineos and no one has really batted an eyelid, let alone lifted finger to keyboard.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
no ethics in cycling...


I guess anywhere that money is involved (and needed), compromises are made.


perhaps, but there are compromises and compromises...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tuckandgo wrote:
mattsurf wrote:
Jim Ratcliffe is no saint, however, is he any worse than the Murdochs?

I have seen comments on other forums/web sites which say that they can not support the former team Sky/Team Ineos anymore, due to Jim Ratcliffe's views on Brexit and relocation to Monaco to avoid tax..... however, this is hugely hypocritical as you can level exactly the same charges and worse at the Murdochs.

In terms of environmental implications and concerns, not all chemical and plastics companies are bad, in fact many clothing companies are as bad, if not worse than chemical companies. However, by taking over the team and creating Team Ineos, there will be a greater level of public scrutiny on a company who are not terribly well known today, maybe this level of publicity will put pressure on Ineos to be even more environmentally aware

Finally, Jim Ratcliffe has a passion for the sport, he is a passionate cyclist and former Ironman Triathlete. And I am guessing that he shares many of the same values as us.

On balance I think I would be happier to support Team Ineos then Team Sky..... although the issue of one team dominating the sport has not yet been addressed


I think there is a whole world of bias going on. In the words of youth 'haters gonna' hate'.
.


but this is a great opportunity to double down - unethical and unethical in cahoots - it is a virtual signalling dream...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsurf wrote:
although the issue of one team dominating the sport has not yet been addressed


You mean Quickstep? Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the day Ineos sponsored the Swashbuckler Triathlon
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
mattsurf wrote:
although the issue of one team dominating the sport has not yet been addressed


You mean Quickstep? Wink


Nah, everyone loves the Wolfpack Rolling Eyes Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JR does a lot for sport

http://www.gorunforfun.com

https://www.ineosteamuk.com

He has also run Comrades on his 60th birthday
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To borrow Caroline Lucas' words, What a guy...

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/23/ineos-chemicals-environment-pollution-eu-lobbying/
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